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    Just wondering but how was Naughty Dog allowed to get away with the death scenes for Ellie? Also when Sam was killed. Aren't there Laws against that? I'm probably mistaken, oh well.

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    • There are laws, but it appears to be getting somewhat tolerant depending on the nature of a game, Season 2 of The Walking Dead game has Clementine killed more explicitly compared to the first where it was mostly cut out, Sam you don't see him shot entirely, plus Ellie's death scenes kinda cut out fairly quickly so there's not much gore compared to Joel's deaths.

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    • What laws, I mean who makes them and do you have a soure? Not trying to be rude. I know the ESRB and Sony have rules though, but the governent making actually laws against this thing? I don't know. 

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    • I was using "laws" very loosely, I know a lot of places censor the killing of a child. It's more of an unwritten "rule" if anything. Considering killing a child in real life is considered incredibly inhumane, a lot of media cuts out or tones down the explicit killing of a child or teenager, it's a controversial thing to kill a child in gaming, look at Fallout 2. That game was censored in most places because in the original release it was possible to kill a child and there was a great deal of controversy. 

      So, essentially there's no "law" amongst the government threatening action if you kill a child in media, that's my bad I could've elaborated further. But it's mostly just based on a commonly accepted "rule" amongst developers that they're willing to accept the consequences if they kill a child graphically or give the option to that they're willing to take the controversy, obviously some developers kill a child but they do it off screen or it's just brief in comparison to an adult's death.

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    • If ND depicted the death scenes with any more violence than it already does, then the game would be restricted to a smaller audience most likely. Smaller audience=fewer sales=less $$$. It's a common complaint among fans of a series that sees violence toned down to cater to a wider audience.

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    • I kind of don't get why there's this "unwritten rule" in gaming in regards to children, but the same rule doesn't apply (as much, at least) in the movie/tv industry where there's, y'know, actual child actors involved (in which case it makes sense to keep said actors from even just acting out possibly traumatizing scenes.) I'm pretty sure one of the first scenes of The Walking Dead is Rick killing a little girl walker. I mean, it's a videogame, where we have a 30+ year old voicing and mocapping a child, so to me it should be more accepted in a videogame to do those things when the story calls for it.

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    • I'm always a proponent of good taste, and so am a fan of games that aren't more gratuitous than they need to be. In TLoU's case, I thought that the level of violence it shows is perfect: it doesn't descend into torture porn, but at the same time it makes it clear that the game is a grim look.

      On a basic level, yes. I do agree that free speech should be protected at all levels and a game should not be taken off the shelves or censored for controversial content. I'm just not a fan of exploitation.

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    • Brainwasher5 wrote:
      I'm always a proponent of good taste, and so am a fan of games that aren't more gratuitous than they need to be. In TLoU's case, I thought that the level of violence it shows is perfect: it doesn't descend into torture porn, but at the same time it makes it clear that the game is a grim look.

      On a basic level, yes. I do agree that free speech should be protected at all levels and a game should not be taken off the shelves or censored for controversial content. I'm just not a fan of exploitation.

      Oh yeah, I agree. The OP seemed to be implying that the violence against kids in TLOU was controversial, but I , like you, thought it was necessary to the world/story and didn't veer into exploitative territory. It should be even less controversial because it's also in a game where there aren't even actual children involved, as opposed to a live action movie/TV show, both of which seem to get away with this kind of thing a lot more often. Everyone who creates stories, especially ones that will involve possibly controversial content, should absolutely express good taste and be careful not to veer into exploitative territory (unless they're expressly making an exploitation flick, I suppose.) And if they drop the ball, I believe that they should be called out on it.

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