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  • is there also a country which does not have any infected? perhaps an island such as the uk or australia or smaller islands such as curaçao.

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    • I am always wondering the same thing. I have made my theory. International travel would get the infection in every country eccept cuba, north korea, and maybe greenland in less than a week. Countries with high population density as india, china, bangladesh, pakistan, and singapoor would be first to fall. Then, countries with low highene, and medical care, as most of africa, central america, brazil, vietnam, and indonesia. Then countries with weak militaries that could not contain the infected, as mexico, new zeland, most small islands, polamd, spain, germany, mongolia, central asia, the balkans, and portugal. Then countries that don't have strategic defensible positions, like france, italy, greece, and the nordics. The remaining countries as Russia, the US, the UK, australia, cuba, north korea, and israel may had survived, but we don't know for sure.

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    • Pablosgt wrote:
      I am always wondering the same thing. I have made my theory. International travel would get the infection in every country eccept cuba, north korea, and maybe greenland in less than a week. Countries with high population density as india, china, bangladesh, pakistan, and singapoor would be first to fall. Then, countries with low highene, and medical care, as most of africa, central america, brazil, vietnam, and indonesia. Then countries with weak militaries that could not contain the infected, as mexico, new zeland, most small islands, polamd, spain, germany, mongolia, central asia, the balkans, and portugal. Then countries that don't have strategic defensible positions, like france, italy, greece, and the nordics. The remaining countries as Russia, the US, the UK, australia, cuba, north korea, and israel may had survived, but we don't know for sure.

      you have a few good points, such as the countries with poor hygiene and weak military. and how do you think about all the tiny islands like terschelling? (But you know that spain, germany and poland are no islands right)

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    • Pablosgt wrote:
      I am always wondering the same thing. I have made my theory. International travel would get the infection in every country eccept cuba, north korea, and maybe greenland in less than a week.

      Why not cuba? There are literally hundreds of thousands of tourists travelling to the island year round, and people travel from Cuba to Florida and from Haiti to Cuba all the time by homemade boats.


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    • But cuba is not comunicated with the world. They bearly get visits, i have visited cuba and the airport was almost eampty

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    • And, i do know they are not islands, i did not say they where islands. Islands with a relatively high population as fiji and the mauritus will fall instantly, other islands get daily visits to, VERY small islands with VERY small populations like the sándwich islands in near argentina, some siberian, canadian, icelandic, and norewian islands may never catch the infection, but also have no militaries to defend from imigrants, and most don't have the supplies to survive long disconected. There is one island tho, Seland. Seland is a Very small island near britain. It was once a fortress, but 30 people live there now, and they do have a strong military (relatively) since they where once invaded, a large stockpile of food and resources since they get supplies every 6 months. They produce 600,000$ worth of fish a year, enough for them to eat, and have a water filtration system. They have no turism, and they may survive all of the infection

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    • Pablosgt wrote:
      But cuba is not comunicated with the world. They bearly get visits, i have visited cuba and the airport was almost eampty


      I think you need to research Cuba a bit more... They get 3 million tourists a YEAR, tens of thousands of Cubans are abroad as doctors and technical consultants and hundreds of thousands of Cubans return to Cuba from exile each year to visit family.  So yes, it is ´communicated with the world´.  I don´t mean to be harsh, but while Cuba´s political system has a thousand problems, it isn´t shut off from the rest of the world like North Korea.

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    • Cuba is way more open than north korea, but not open enough to get the infection before they notice it exists

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    • More remote and arctic areas would survive such an apocalypse because it is soo cold, the fungus might not survive in harsh climates. Remote towns/villages can survive as long as there doesn't come a large amount of refugees.

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    • Mrminister wrote:
      More remote and arctic areas would survive such an apocalypse because it is soo cold, the fungus might not survive in harsh climates. Remote towns/villages can survive as long as there doesn't come a large amount of refugees.

      I never thought about that , but you might be right.

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    • Another factor you may want to consider is something that has a massive effect on society...PANIC!! 

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    • I also thought about this. During the begining, countries like china probably sent nuclear weapons to overrun cities. And maybe some countries took adventage of the situation and invaded their enemies. Countries in africa and some places in latin america probably have the highest rate of survivors due to small towns being disconected from cities

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    • Maybe Hawaii, Japan, and the other islands

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    • Pablosgt wrote:
      I also thought about this. During the begining, countries like china probably sent nuclear weapons to overrun cities. And maybe some countries took adventage of the situation and invaded their enemies. Countries in africa and some places in latin america probably have the highest rate of survivors due to small towns being disconected from cities

      Isn't that where CBI originated

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    • If any place has a shot of surviving it'd be Christmas Island. The place is in the middle of nowhere, and travel flow is low.

      Considering how Cordyceps manifests symptoms within three days (a very short time frame where diseases are concerned), realistically many countries should have been able to erect effective quarantine action before it spread to too many places unnoticed. But TLoU is not meant to be a realistic depiction of global epidemics...

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    • Brainwasher5 wrote:
      If any place has a shot of surviving it'd be Christmas Island. The place is in the middle of nowhere, and travel flow is low.

      Considering how Cordyceps manifests symptoms within three days (a very short time frame where diseases are concerned), realistically many countries should have been able to erect effective quarantine action before it spread to too many places unnoticed. But TLoU is not meant to be a realistic depiction of global epidemics...

      Yeah, I could see a place like Iceland being that way too- low travel, population spread out with large, rough terrain separating them.

      And that was a thing I found kind of unrealistic- this idea that literally a few hours earlier, Joel and his neighbors weren't at all panicked or concerned (just had a normal day at work) about a disease outbreak, and then a few hours later everything is on fire and chaos, lol. Like, nobody prepared at all for this? Every infected person turned at the exact same time? Unless the're trying to say that the infection originated in Texas, it is pretty unrealistic. But like you said, this isn't a documentary, lol.

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    • It definitely appeared in a lot of places almost simultaneously, as either Joel or Tommy mention in the car escape from Joel's house that at first it seemed like it was just the east coast (of the US), but then it started showing up 'everywhere'.

      Anyway, reasons this is plausible:

      > In the first chapter, there is a newspaper that, if I recall correctly, says something about contaminated crops from South America being suspected (presumably the rationale for saying the infection originated there).

      > Furthermore, this explains why the bigger cities would be hardest hit and hit first, as they are the places more likely to have imported lots of their food, compared to what seems to be a semi-rural/small town where Joel, Sarah, and Tommy all live, which likely would have used local produce more than imported stuff.

      > While incubation times of one or two days (three at the very most) are relatively short, this is still certainly enough to allow for it to cross international borders, especially considering the likely difficulties associated with detecting infected people in the initial stages before the handheld scanners were developed.

      > It is highly improbable that the immediate response of hospitals and governments would have been to order the unilateral executions of infected; more likely it would have been initially treated like any other disease, albeit one that caused infected persons to exhibit considerably violent behaviours. This would have contributed to the early rapid increase in infections.

      > Connected to this, the most likely initial reaction would likely have been to move infected people away from the rest of the populace, rather than calling for evacuations. Unsurprisingly, this very probably would have resulted in the infection of most emergency services personnel, especially police and hospital workers - aka: the people best qualified to deal with the infection and/or crowd-control in a crisis like this, thereby exacerbating the mass panic once the actual problem was recognised.


      Just about the only thing I thought somewhat implausible, was the idea that the US military were so quick to start reacting to the outbreak/attempts to quarantine populations with unilateral shoot-to-kill orders. Even if it is assumed that this was because of a declaration of martial law, it still seems odd that the military would react this way so early.

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    • I'd say the country with the most likely chance of having a totally cleared area of infected would be the UK. Due to the fact there is several islands, ranging from large such as Isle of Wight and Isle of man. To smaller islands like Isles of Scilly, the channel islands and Orkney and Shetland off the Scottish coast. Bearing in mind these islands are fairly isolated from mass international transport, in a situation when the CBI hit so suddenly. The British government would most likely sanction certain islands as a rally point for civilian evacuations (to the select few), as well as a base of operations for British armed forces. Relocation zones for civilian evacuees, patrols land, air and sea patrolling the coast line. Making sure no one, that could potentially infected could get in and compromise quarantine. In conclusion as far as a surviving country goes, I'd place my bet on the UK. And they would probably be using in my mind the isle of Wight and or the channel islands.

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    • Pablosgt wrote:
      I am always wondering the same thing. I have made my theory. International travel would get the infection in every country eccept cuba, north korea, and maybe greenland in less than a week. Countries with high population density as india, china, bangladesh, pakistan, and singapoor would be first to fall. Then, countries with low highene, and medical care, as most of africa, central america, brazil, vietnam, and indonesia. Then countries with weak militaries that could not contain the infected, as mexico, new zeland, most small islands, polamd, spain, germany, mongolia, central asia, the balkans, and portugal. Then countries that don't have strategic defensible positions, like france, italy, greece, and the nordics. The remaining countries as Russia, the US, the UK, australia, cuba, north korea, and israel may had survived, but we don't know for sure.


      Cuba is quite well connected with flight to Latin America and Europe. In fact since the US has announced the resumption of ties, Cuba has increased in popularity with European holiday makers before its unique 50s timelock is lifted.

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    • Brainwasher5 wrote:
      If any place has a shot of surviving it'd be Christmas Island. The place is in the middle of nowhere, and travel flow is low.

      Considering how Cordyceps manifests symptoms within three days (a very short time frame where diseases are concerned), realistically many countries should have been able to erect effective quarantine action before it spread to too many places unnoticed. But TLoU is not meant to be a realistic depiction of global epidemics...

      The infection was also spread of contaminated crops wasn't it?

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    • 82.41.41.184 wrote:

      Brainwasher5 wrote:
      If any place has a shot of surviving it'd be Christmas Island. The place is in the middle of nowhere, and travel flow is low.

      Considering how Cordyceps manifests symptoms within three days (a very short time frame where diseases are concerned), realistically many countries should have been able to erect effective quarantine action before it spread to too many places unnoticed. But TLoU is not meant to be a realistic depiction of global epidemics...

      The infection was also spread of contaminated crops wasn't it?

      The initial outbreak was caused by contaninated crops from South America.

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    • 108.69.62.241 wrote:

      82.41.41.184 wrote:

      Brainwasher5 wrote:
      If any place has a shot of surviving it'd be Christmas Island. The place is in the middle of nowhere, and travel flow is low.

      Considering how Cordyceps manifests symptoms within three days (a very short time frame where diseases are concerned), realistically many countries should have been able to erect effective quarantine action before it spread to too many places unnoticed. But TLoU is not meant to be a realistic depiction of global epidemics...

      The infection was also spread of contaminated crops wasn't it?

      The initial outbreak was caused by contaninated crops from South America.

      Which probably wouldn't be transported to every continent.

      Probably unlikely but what if it is just a biological weapon

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    • okay yall need to play the web game Pandemic 2, this gives quite an accurate insight into diseases and how they spread and how they are stopped, although from the last ebola crisis i get the feeling this games countries are a lot quicker to respond than real life countries :l god forbid we screw with someones holiday to keep an entire country free of deadly disease..

      so heres a few reasons why the infection of the last of us, in my view, would not spread very well and many, many countries would stay clean.

      first off its the very short incubation period, only 2 days! we saw sam turn over night from completely normal to utterly uncontrollable. these people would be noticed very quickly and the military, police, or even every day people would have no choice but to subdue them by any means, usually a gunshot or 3 (remember that guy who was eating someones face? they shot him like 3 times before he stopped :P) 

      the second point is the nature of infection, this is a VERY obvious spreading method, you actually have to bite someone and make saliva to blood contact. it could possibly be spread through kissing too? but how many people will kiss many different people in 2 days? :s

      so we know it originated in south america, from crops, i dont know where crops from south america are exported to but lets say they reach most of the world, but originally eaten in south america, very quickly people would be warned not to eat their produce from this country. i think it would spread over the border into the USA through people travel though, then it would need international flights and ships to reach the rest of the world. lets say 10% of new york are infected, within 2 days how many new yorkers will travel internationally? a hell of a lot sure but where to? probably china, a lot of asia is a popular destination, hawaii and those closer islands like barbados, maybe canada especially for business and im sure australia is a popular destination but some of these flights can be very long haul with many change overs as well. (im from the uk, it takes like 12 hours to fly to auss so im a bit warped on the times, obviously usa is closer XD) soo at some point on this flight if an infected person is on board they are likely to turn quickly, either at the airport, ha no plane ride for them, or on the plane, in which case dont many planes have an air marshal who is armed? he would shoot him after only attacking one person i think, otherwise the infected will take the whole plane down aand they would die and not be able to pass it on :P

      i feel i am going waaay to into this now so basically, yeah i think a lot of countries, particularly little islands would survive infection free or be able to put down the infected pretty fast

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    • IRL, the cordyceps infection mainly kills ants and insects. Assuming that it's the latest virus to develop the ability to jump from animal to human, then nowhere is safe other than really remote islands, and even those only need one or two infected organisms to arrive.

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    • Cordyceps is not a virus, you dumbass. It's simply a genera of fungi. Read up.

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    • 73.22.93.115 wrote:
      Cordyceps is not a virus, you dumbass. It's simply a genera of fungi. Read up.

      You resonded to a message with a minor mistake that was posted almost half a year ago and he's the dumbass?

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    • 73.22.93.115 wrote:
      Cordyceps is not a virus, you dumbass. It's simply a genera of fungi. Read up.

      dont be rude please

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    • I think most of the world is gone. Island nations aren't lucky either. Infected could just wash up on their beaches.

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    • but the infected would be dead so les danger for the people handling them 

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    • Pablosgt wrote:
      I am always wondering the same thing. I have made my theory. International travel would get the infection in every country eccept cuba, north korea, and maybe greenland in less than a week. Countries with high population density as india, china, bangladesh, pakistan, and singapoor would be first to fall. Then, countries with low highene, and medical care, as most of africa, central america, brazil, vietnam, and indonesia. Then countries with weak militaries that could not contain the infected, as mexico, new zeland, most small islands, polamd, spain, germany, mongolia, central asia, the balkans, and portugal. Then countries that don't have strategic defensible positions, like france, italy, greece, and the nordics. The remaining countries as Russia, the US, the UK, australia, cuba, north korea, and israel may had survived, but we don't know for sure.

      Well, I agree on most. Most. But taken into accounts that fungus like the cordiceps generally don't thrive in cold enviroments, the nortermost parts of the nordic countries, mainly Norway, as well as maybe iceland, russia and greenland may have survived. the Nordics also have an extremely good healthcare system. Healthcare is free, so anyone feeling sick won't hesitate to seek help. Therefore the fungi would likely be discovered quickly, and the government would take effective measures. As fungi thrive in warm enviroments, people might have been encouraged to relocate from areas like denmark, Oslo, Stockholm and similar. Scandinavia, especially Norway, Sweden, Iceland and the self-governed islands does not have any southern mainland connection to central europe, so it could be cut of in maybe a month, if the government get their shit together and realize that America, central Europe, asia and africa are lost. I'm not saying they would be completely untouched, but they would probably survive longer, or even indeffinetely, than bigger or more populated countries. Regarding Israel and north korea... Yeah, the infected might be able to get there the old fassion way. It's not exactly a very defensible location.

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    • Countries that have existing trade barriers on countries in SA, might be able to stay clear of the infection until information on the CBI is made known, and some countries like Japan due to it's tech focused economy wouldn't last very long. Canada is an interesting case, because it it is close to the U.S., but it does get quite cold so some parts might be lost to the infection, but their might me a large number of QZs. Hawaii is a goner as it's popularity would be it's demise. Alaska may be the only U.S. state that is spared from the infection. Unfortunately due to the freezing temperatures that occur unless the state is combined with Canada, there is no way it can survive in the long run. China would probably be safe due to the manufacturing mining and farming that occurs in the area, so it might have time to prepare for the CBI. Australia's distance from SA would allow for discovery of the infection. Island nations excluding Hawaii might be free from the infection, but the infrastructure is not sustainable. North Korea might be merged with China and their military is more than capable of dealing with the infection (that is assuming that they haven't nuked the rest of the world. The populated areas of Russia might fall, but the remaining people in Siberia would turn into the cannibals that Joel and Elie met. The researchers at Antarctica would be spared from the infection but certainly die from a lack of supplies.

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