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  • So, am I alone in thinking that maybe this section of the game was actually Joel having a nightmare about the start of the outbreak/Sarah's death? It makes sense, because he wakes up right afterward.

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    • mmm, now that I think about it, you could be right.:)

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    • A friend of mine still has nightmares about when my uncle died in Vietnam, and that was back in 1968.

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    • M67PattonZippo wrote:
      So, am I alone in thinking that maybe this section of the game was actually Joel having a nightmare about the start of the outbreak/Sarah's death? It makes sense, because he wakes up right afterward.

      Maybe it could be him remembering, or having a nightmare but, it still happened right?

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    • Fireburn12 wrote:
      M67PattonZippo wrote:
      So, am I alone in thinking that maybe this section of the game was actually Joel having a nightmare about the start of the outbreak/Sarah's death? It makes sense, because he wakes up right afterward.
      Maybe it could be him remembering, or having a nightmare but, it still happened right?

      Yeah.

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    • I like your way of thinking, but I think he would only have nightmares about her death and not dreamt that it happened all-together. It would kick some sense out of the plot tbh. But as I said, I like your way of thinking. ;)

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    • I think it is likely Joel has nightmares about Sarah's death, as evidenced during the North Tunnel cutscene. However I think the prologue was intended to be the exact sequence of events of the outbreak and not Joel's recollection of them, otherwise the game would probably start with Joel fighting Jimmy Cooper and not from Sarah's POV. I would not rule your theory out, but you would have to ask Druckmann to know one way or the other.

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    • Ribault wrote:
      I think it is likely Joel has nightmares about Sarah's death, as evidenced during the North Tunnel cutscene. However I think the prologue was intended to be the exact sequence of events of the outbreak and not Joel's recollection of them, otherwise the game would probably start with Joel fighting Jimmy Cooper and not from Sarah's POV. I would not rule your theory out, but you would have to ask Druckmann to know one way or the other.

      Good point. Interesting...

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    • No, I think that really happened but you could interpret it being a nightmare Joel was having.

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    • Nah it's way too linear to be a dream to me. Plus there's the fact that half of it takes place completely from Sara's perspective. I think showing him waking up (kind of a tired cinematic cliche really) was just to show that he's still haunted by those events, and probably has trouble sleeping because of it (Ellie even says that he talks in his sleep.)

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    • I said the Same thing A Very Long time ago, it went UnNoticed. It was in a Forum I made Way bck whn... I think it was whn I Popped the game for the 1st Time. I said wat if this Whole thing was One Big Ass FlashBack Dream dat Joel was Havin at the Beginning of the Game. Glad to see someone else was Thinkin lik I was lol

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    • It was Titled Puzzling In Game Quest?ons. Check it out

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    • I would say the level ain't the dream, but it is what the dream is about.

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    • not a dream because it clearly said "20 years later" between the chapters.

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    • 64.71.24.45 wrote: not a dream because it clearly said "20 years later" between the chapters.

      You don't understand. They are saying that it could be a dream Joel is having 20 years later but we are saying it isn't because it shows things from Sarah's perspective as well.

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    • It definitly happened ,,..!

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    • Instead of crying over Sarah's Death, I left with frustration over this death, what do you guys think. Have you got frustrated by Sarah's Death

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    • Why would I frustrated? It was a powerful moment in the game. It highlighted how easy it was to die and things man would do to another man during times of chaos. It was powerful and emotional, not frustrating.

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    • Ethan7892 wrote:
      Instead of crying over Sarah's Death, I left with frustration over this death, what do you guys think. Have you got frustrated by Sarah's Death


      I never thought to put it like that, but it was frustrating in a way, because of who ended up killing her. I mean, they had just spent all this time running from infected, and they come to this soldier that they think is going to help them, and he ends up being the one who kills her.

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    • MayonnEgg wrote:

      Ethan7892 wrote:
      Instead of crying over Sarah's Death, I left with frustration over this death, what do you guys think. Have you got frustrated by Sarah's Death


      I never thought to put it like that, but it was frustrating in a way, because of who ended up killing her. I mean, they had just spent all this time running from infected, and they come to this soldier that they think is going to help them, and he ends up being the one who kills her.

      But that's why it's so impactful. It emphasises that the wolf of man is man himself, not nature (CBI)

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    • I just played Sarah for nothing in this game? What a way to kill a character right at the start of the game

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    • Ethan7896 wrote:
      I just played Sarah for nothing in this game? What a way to kill a character right at the start of the game


      True, but I think that was the point of playing as Sarah. We got invested in her, in a seemingly-normal world, and then it was all torn apart. That way, we understand a tiny bit of what Joel went through.

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    • Yeah but they lack on character development on Sarah

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    • Ethan7896 wrote: Yeah but they lack on character development on Sarah

      Well it wasn't so much about us feeling melancholy over Sarah dying but arguably more over us feeling sad for Joel. This man just had his entire world torn apart and lost his loving daughter, someone he has just fought through an entire town of chaos to keep her alive only for her to be killed the very person he was hoping would save them.

      I believe the opening was more to setup the structural parallel with Ellie and so we could appreciate the design of seeing a little girl (and ourselves) gradually understand the disaster that is falling over the world.

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    • Man, if i had a Dimensional Scream from Pokemon, i could predict what will happen to Sarah and save her from death

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    • Ethan7896 wrote: Man, if i had a Dimensional Scream from Pokemon, i could predict what will happen to Sarah and save her from death

      But then the Last of Us would never have happened and Ellie would be dead :|

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    • Snivystorm wrote:

      Ethan7896 wrote: Man, if i had a Dimensional Scream from Pokemon, i could predict what will happen to Sarah and save her from death

      But then the Last of Us would never have happened and Ellie would be dead :|

      Anybody can change the future, and i can go to Joel, Ellie, and Sarah's past and future to save their lives and prevent them from their horrible fate

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    • Ethan7896 wrote:

      Snivystorm wrote:

      Ethan7896 wrote: Man, if i had a Dimensional Scream from Pokemon, i could predict what will happen to Sarah and save her from death

      But then the Last of Us would never have happened and Ellie would be dead :|

      Anybody can change the future, and i can go to Joel, Ellie, and Sarah's past and future to save their lives and prevent them from their horrible fate

      I'm unsure of what you are trying to say. Are you trying to imply you would prevent the CBI outbreak of constantly intervene in their timelines to save them (akin to Life is Strange)

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    • I think you're right!

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    • Snivystorm wrote:

      Ethan7896 wrote:

      Snivystorm wrote:

      Ethan7896 wrote: Man, if i had a Dimensional Scream from Pokemon, i could predict what will happen to Sarah and save her from death

      But then the Last of Us would never have happened and Ellie would be dead :|
      Anybody can change the future, and i can go to Joel, Ellie, and Sarah's past and future to save their lives and prevent them from their horrible fate

      I'm unsure of what you are trying to say. Are you trying to imply you would prevent the CBI outbreak of constantly intervene in their timelines to save them (akin to Life is Strange)

      Prevent the CBI outbreak, so that way the cordocepse won't effect the brain

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    • But then Ellie would never be born....

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    • Snivystorm wrote:
      But then Ellie would never be born....

      Shoot, I want Ellie to be born, but how

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    • Guys guys it's simple. We build a time machine, right? Then we convince Ellie to come back to 2013 with us, and then we magically prevent CBI from happening. Then Joel can adopt Ellie and Sarah won't die and they'd be the best sisters ever and they'd live happily ever after. 

      I'm a genius!

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    • Brainwasher5 wrote: Guys guys it's simple. We build a time machine, right? Then we convince Ellie to come back to 2013 with us, and then we magically prevent CBI from happening. Then Joel can adopt Ellie and Sarah won't die and they'd be the best sisters ever and they'd live happily ever after. 

      I'm a genius!

      But then that creates a paradox as it means Ellie would still never have been born, similar to Marty Mcfly from BTTF. We need to somehow let CBI occur but then somehow save Sarah and hope the trio survive to Ellie being 14 so then the adoption can occur.

      Time travel is too complicated and the universes way of saying Ellie and Sarah can't exist simultaneously in Joel's life :(

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    • only if we take the theory that only a single timeline can exist, and messing with it screws up everything. If we're going by the multiple alternate universes thing (like what DC comics do all the time) it wouldn't affect anything.

      Anyway I was just joking on the thread, in case that wasn't obvious already.

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    • If you what to go time travel, ask Dialga, he'll help you out

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    • Brainwasher5 wrote: only if we take the theory that only a single timeline can exist, and messing with it screws up everything. If we're going by the multiple alternate universes thing (like what DC comics do all the time) it wouldn't affect anything.

      Anyway I was just joking on the thread, in case that wasn't obvious already.

      I know ^_^ we are just having s bit of a laugh in our absurd fan fiction ahah.

      Ethan7896 wrote: If you what to go time travel, ask Dialga, he'll help you out

      Nah, I'll phone my doctor ;) He's more reliable.

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    • I'm 16 and i like Ellie, and i mean "Like Like" her. Is that weird?

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    • 71.48.30.58 wrote: I'm 16 and i like Ellie, and i mean "Like Like" her. Is that weird?

      Okay now we've really veered off on a tangent. Maybe we should refocus what this thread is about?

      So yes, I believe this prologue was all to setup the game for us as Joel and have that nice comparison with Ellie, possibly displayed by him dreaming about it later on.

      Though to be fair, Joel sleeps A LOT in this game. Seriously, about a third of his cutscenes are him sleeping! Interesting to note, he sleeps less as the game goes on (by choice anyway).

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    • Snivystorm wrote:

      71.48.30.58 wrote: I'm 16 and i like Ellie, and i mean "Like Like" her. Is that weird?

      Okay now we've really veered off on a tangent. Maybe we should refocus what this thread is about?

      So yes, I believe this prologue was all to setup the game for us as Joel and have that nice comparison with Ellie, possibly displayed by him dreaming about it later on.

      Though to be fair, Joel sleeps A LOT in this game. Seriously, about a third of his cutscenes are him sleeping! Interesting to note, he sleeps less as the game goes on (by choice anyway).


      Now that you mention it, he is asleep/unconcious for about half of the Winter chapter.

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    • Indeed, maybe it's all a symbol of him trying to escape the past, which he slips back in to when he sleeps.

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    • Sorry Snivystorm, i didn't mean to break up the conversation. i was just trying to ask the question on a new thread because i feel kinda weird about it :[

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    • 71.48.31.21 wrote: Sorry Snivystorm, i didn't mean to break up the conversation. i was just trying to ask the question on a new thread because i feel kinda weird about it :[

      It's alright mate :), the conversation was kinda going off course anyway so it wasn't solely you ahah. Perhaps start another thread if you wanna talk about that?

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    • Ok, Thx:)

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    • Does the prologue begins in Austin, Texas

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    • Seems to yeah :) certainly in Texas.

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    • Shouldn't Sarah survive the bullet that shot her in the stomach?

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    • Ethan7896 wrote: Shouldn't Sarah survive the bullet that shot her in the stomach?

      Good question but there are two factors that sadly support her dying:

      1) It could have been more than one bullet, so that does mean the chances of her dying are crippled due to her body not bring ruptured completely from the inside.

      2) She's a little girl so less blood so she can't counter the blood loss as well as, say, Joel could of as he later showed when pierced by a rebar.

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    • Snivystorm wrote:

      Ethan7896 wrote: Shouldn't Sarah survive the bullet that shot her in the stomach?

      Good question but there are two factors that sadly support her dying:

      1) It could have been more than one bullet, so that does mean the chances of her dying are crippled due to her body not bring ruptured completely from the inside.

      2) She's a little girl so less blood so she can't counter the blood loss as well as, say, Joel could of as he later showed when pierced by a rebar.

      Sometimes, kids can die easly in games, tv, and anime

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    • Considering how it was an assault rifle and that she was a tiny kid, it's not really surprising that she died. For all we know the bullets could have shredded all her organs or severed her spinal cord. 

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    • She was shot in the abdomen and died, why couldn't joel shield her, that would provent her from dying

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    • He did try to shield her. And I think he was actually wounded too, just not as badly as her. 

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    • Ethan7896 wrote:
      Shouldn't Sarah survive the bullet that shot her in the stomach?


      Abdominal wounds tend to be serious simply due to the amount of important organs in that area. Without quick medical attention (more than a first aid kit), she would die. It would just take longer for her to die than, say, a gunshot wound to the chest.

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    • Ethan7896 wrote:
      She was shot in the abdomen and died, why couldn't joel shield her, that would provent her from dying

      Brainwasher is right. Joel did try to push her out of the way, but it didn't do any good, and he was wounded as well, just not as severely.

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    • Ethan7896 wrote:
      She was shot in the abdomen and died, why couldn't joel shield her, that would provent her from dying


      Joel could not have blocked the bullets with his body. 5.56 NATO rounds have enough power to go through at least one target at that range. If Joel had tried, that would have been 2 dead instead of 1.

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    • If I was Sarah's Daughter, I would defend her with those bullets with all my might

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    • Ethan7896 wrote: If I was Sarah's Daughter, I would defend her with those bullets with all my might

      Who is to say Joel didn't? He didn't exactly have much time to react to be shot at, him turning and taking the bullets was the most he could do in the moment but, as M67PattonZippo explained, the bullets would have gone through him anyway.

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    • Ethan7896 wrote:
      If I was Sarah's Daughter, I would defend her with those bullets with all my might


      How? He was unarmed and exhausted. There really was nothing he could have done to save her. Fighting back would have only led to his death, and likely Sarah would have died just the same.

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    • M67PattonZippo wrote:

      Ethan7896 wrote:
      If I was Sarah's Daughter, I would defend her with those bullets with all my might


      How? He was unarmed and exhausted. There really was nothing he could have done to save her. Fighting back would have only led to his death, and likely Sarah would have died just the same.

      I agree! All he could do was either turn around (which he did) or charge the guy, which would have guaranteed his and Sarah's death.

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    • Ethan7896 wrote:
      If I was Sarah's Daughter

      If you were Sarah's daughter, you wouldn't be born yet ;)

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    • ^ LOL !!! :)

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    • Brainwasher5 wrote:
      Ethan7896 wrote:
      If I was Sarah's Daughter
      If you were Sarah's daughter, you wouldn't be born yet ;)

      Got dang it

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